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Full support to Sergei Brin : get the hell out of totalitarian CHINA
underground resistance

Google Inc. co-founder Sergey Brin pushed the Internet giant to take the risky step of abandoning its China-based search engine as that country’s efforts to censor the Web and suppress dissidents smacked of the “totalitarianism” of his youth in the Soviet Union.

Google Inc. co-founder Sergey Brin pushed the Internet giant to take the risky step of abandoning its China-based search engine as that country’s efforts to censor the Web and suppress dissidents smacked of the “totalitarianism” of his youth in the Soviet Union.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Brin, who came to the U.S. from Russia at the age of 6 in 1979, said the compromises to do business in the world’s largest Internet market had become too great. Finally, a cyberattack that the company traced to Chinese hackers, which stole some of Google’s proprietary computer code and attempted to spy on Chinese activists’ emails, was the “straw that broke the camel’s back.”

China has “made great strides against poverty and whatnot,” Mr. Brin said. “But nevertheless, in some aspects of their policy, particularly with respect to censorship, with respect to surveillance of dissidents, I see the same earmarks of totalitarianism, and I find that personally quite troubling.”

Mr. Brin reluctantly agreed four years ago to launch a search engine in China that the company would censor to satisfy the government. But he said he began to have a change of heart after the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing.

As the glow of the Olympics faded, he said, the Chinese government began ratcheting up its Web censoring and interfering more with Google’s operations. Around that time, he said, the murky rules of doing business in China grew even murkier. Executives throughout the company grew more anxious about the policy, he said.

“China was ever-present,” he said. “One out of five meetings that I attended, there was some component specifically applied to China in a different way than other countries.”

On Jan. 12, Google said it would stop self-censoring its search engine in China, citing a major cyberattack that appeared to target the email of human rights activists. On Monday, Google began routing mainland Chinese users of its search engine to a site in Hong Kong that the company isn’t censoring.

After the cyberattack a heated debate ensued in the company about whether to cease censoring, say people familiar with the matter. Mr. Brin and other executives prevailed over Chief Executive Eric Schmidt and others who felt Google ought to stay the course in China, say people familiar with the discussions. Mr. Brin said by the end, there was “pretty good consensus.”

Mr. Brin said that after that, his role was “somewhat tangential” as Google began drafting its plan to send Chinese users to its Hong Kong site. He also said the idea to reroute users was “actually relayed to us indirectly from the Chinese government,” although he declined to elaborate.

When asked if Mr. Schmidt and co-founder Larry Page were available for comment, a Google spokeswoman said Mr. Brin was speaking for the company.

The move appears to have left Google’s China business in jeopardy. On Wednesday, China Unicom Ltd., the country’s No. 2 mobile-phone operator, said it wouldn’t install Google’s search functions into new handsets given its decision to stop censoring. Google employees in China are contemplating defecting to rivals such as Microsoft Corp., according to recruiters.

Beijing has called Google’s move “totally wrong” and warned the company must obey China’s laws. Internet experts are skeptical that China will let Google continue to direct Web users to Hong Kong. While Google isn’t censoring that site, China’s Internet filters are blocking many politically sensitive results for users in China.

While many Internet freedom proponents are cheering the move, few large companies have come out pledging their support. Privately, some Silicon Valley executives say they are confused by the reversal based on moral arguments alone.

One person familiar with the situation said the hacking—not just the attempted surveillance of activists—was also a major factor behind the decision. “They stole Google property. That was not insignificant,” the person said. A spokeswoman declined to comment on the attack.

Mitch Kapor, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist, said Google’s moral stand made sense long term, because China will eventually get more open. “More businesses ought to follow ‘gut principles’ and shareholders and customers ought to support and encourage them to do so,” he said Wednesday.

Whether others will follow Google remains unclear. On Wednesday, Go Daddy Group Inc., a provider of Internet addresses, told members of Congress it would cut back its business in China, following new Chinese requirements for information about registrants. Google executive, Alan Davidson, spoke at the same hearing, urging the U.S. to prioritize Internet openness in trade discussions.

Mr. Brin sees Google’s China stance as a signal to other countries. For example, Google is concerned about a proposed filtering system in Australia, he said. The proposal would require Internet providers to filter out content that could be objectionable to children.

Google says the plan goes too far, threatening Australians’ freedom to use the Internet. An Australian minister has defended it as carrying over safety guidelines in place for other media, such as movies, to the Internet.

“One of the reasons I am glad we are making this move in China is that the China situation was really emboldening other countries to try and implement their own firewalls,” Mr. Brin said.

The 36-year-old co-founder said he was moved by growing evidence in China of repressive behavior reminiscent of what he remembered from the Soviet Union. Mr. Brin said memories of that time—having his home visited by Russian police, witnessing anti-Semitic discrimination against his father—bolstered his view that it was time to abandon Google’s policy.

To this day, Mr. Brin said, he and his family often reflect on the significance of their move. His father, he said, wanted to be an astrophysicist, but because of discrimination became a mathematician. Mr. Brin, by growing up in the U.S., had the freedom to pursue “his own entrepreneurial dreams,” he said. His father later became a professor of mathematics at the University of Maryland.

In the U.S., Mr. Brin focused on his studies. As a graduate student at Stanford University, he was on the student council, but he said he doesn’t recall getting involved in Internet-freedom issues. Instead, he spent most of his time at his computer, working with Mr. Page on the beginnings of Google.

As Google expanded beyond the U.S., China was a big test. Google set up a Beijing research-and-development center in 2005, and executives began to debate whether they should open up a search engine on Chinese soil—a move that would require them to filter out content they thought the Chinese government would deem objectionable.

Mr. Brin and Google’s chief legal officer, David Drummond, had the strongest reservations, said people familiar with the discussions, while Messrs. Page and Schmidt were more supportive of appeasing the Chinese government, arguing they could increase Chinese users’ access to information from within.

Around that time, Mr. Brin traveled to China to meet with other companies and see conditions first-hand. He recalls being particularly concerned that university students were having trouble accessing the Internet.

Mr. Brin said in the interview that launching a self-censored Chinese search engine was the right decision at the time. “We generally advanced the bar,” he said, adding that he continued to question the decision.

Mr. Brin said Google was still evaluating its options in China when it discovered it was struck by the cyberattack in late 2009. After Google found evidence the motivation was to peek at the emails of Chinese activists, Mr. Brin said, he had had enough.

“Ultimately, I guess it is where your threshold of discomfort is,” Mr. Brin said. “So we obviously as a company crossed that threshold of discomfort.”

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Об интервью Сергея Брина:

Google ушёл из КНР

Не исключено, что США вывели Google намеренно.
США – друг Китая, а Россия – друг КНР.

Мотив – США пытаются направить Китай на российские Сибирь и Дальний Восток. Китай, кстати, может на это согласиться.

О сценарии конфликта Китай - Россия

в США пока нет никакой цензуры в сети вообще

и никаких дискриминаций в подаче информации

кроме ограничений 2х типов

1.графическое изображение несовершенолетних в сексуалном контексте

2.нарушение авторских прав

хотя вышеприведенное это уже ограничения, но пока они не вредны

Гугл в своей десйтвительно исторической мудрости сделал то что необходимо деалть всем: с комунистическими режимами НЕ ТОРГОВАТЬ И НЕ ИМЕТЬ НИКАКИХ ОТНОШЕНИЙ, ВКЛЮЧАЯ ДИПЛОМАТИЧЕСКИЕ.

Наличие посолств таких 'стран' как КНР или РФ- это серьозный риск шпионажа и саботажа

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это тема серьозная

и думали о том как подойти к Китаю в гугле долго и серьозно

если понимаете английский- почитакйте как Брин говорит об этом

или подумайте сами что такое сегодня Гугл и Китай

Политика США по отношению к Китаю - детище КГБ, продвинутая их агентом Кисинджером

По моему мнению она была крупнейшей геополитической ошибкой США, одной из.

Но это не так явно если например не знать военных планов Китая.

Вообщем как и у гугла расчет был таким, что пользы от гугла в Китае будет больше даже в обрезаном виде

Не могу сказать что я однозначно был за или против

Но сегодня Брин однозначно сделал правильный шаг и тем самым предупредил кремлядь тоже

а ну : Posted By Evgeny Morozov

я не заметил что это гебешная агитка сразу)

статья из форейн полиси мутненькая

обяснение Брина намного внятнее кстати.

Там есть слово такое кибератака.

Can anyone really make a coherent argument that by threatening to leave China because of cyberattacks, they are doing the right thing for the right reason? I'd very much like to hear it.

Вот это дело настолько выросло в последнии годы что его одного достаточно для прекращения всех отношений

Edited at 2010-03-27 08:01 pm (UTC)

Re: а ну : Posted By Evgeny Morozov

Я тоже обратил внимание на Морозова.
С одной стороны, в статье неплохой анализ.
Но Морозов...

по моему там все просто из палца высосано

как будто бы он вообще ничего ен знает по теме

он знает

он притворился

Re: по моему там все просто из палца высосано

У меня тоже доверия этот "источник информации" не вызвал.
Просто принял к сведению данную публикацию. Как очередную в теме о Google.

Брин предупредил кремль кстати этим.

вот это ЖЕСТ.

Re: Брин предупредил кремль кстати этим.

Ну, да.
Он говорит в статье о некоем "сигнале".

книга вышла в РФ

Re: книга вышла в РФ

Всё никак не начну читать этот "бестселлер".
С одной стороны, такая тайна увлекает. И, похоже, на развенчание культа Мао.
С другой стороны, настораживает пиар вокруг книги.
В свете дружественных отношений РФ-КНР распиаренную "антикитайщину" в России не опубликуют. И вряд ли без согласования с Бейцзином.
Т.е. похоже на намеренный слив.

я слушаю ее на английском

прекрасная книга

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